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What Were They Thinking?
by John Siegenthaler, P.E.
August 8, 2007
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| Photo courtesy of Harvey Youker – HYTech
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The Glitch
Overview: Here’s an extremely messed
up installation for you to ponder. This is what greeted my good friend and ace
hydronics troubleshooter Harvey Youker when
he responded to an S.O.S. call from a do-it-yourselfer last winter.
For some reason this installation was not delivering
the unsurpassed comfort promised by the folks who sold our DIYer the hardware.
Exercise:
See if you can spot at least 10 errors.
The Fix
Where do we start on this one? It’s a poster child
for why homeowners shouldn’t be installing their own heating systems. Here’s a
list of 10 details I consider poor or unacceptable:
1. The expansion tank is mounted using a sling of
electrical cable — Could this be for seismic reasons? 2. The plateless staple-up tubing installation —
What was he thinking???
3. No insulation on underside of “radiant floor
panel.”
4. Use of galvanized fittings for circulator header
— For all we know, there may be automotive antifreeze in this system.
5. Mounting angle of circulators — I have no clue
about the compound angles used.
6. Size and type of tubing connected to “boiler” —
¾-inch PEX
7. Use of instantaneous water heater as “boiler” —
This device has a high pressure drop. Notice that all zone circulators are
piped to the “header” that comes out of “boiler” and passes through air purger.
Wow! He did manage to pump away from the expansion tank.
8. Unsupported tubing everywhere — Perhaps this is
used for hanging wet laundry.
9. Pressure relief valve mounted vertically and
pointing straight out at left side of “boiler” — Given the riser off the tee,
this is probably a P&T relief valve with a rated operating pressure well
beyond that of other components.
10. Thermostat cables in very close proximity to
vent connector.
Perhaps you can find even more errors.
The only “fix” for this calamity is to hire a
hydronics professional who will disassemble just about everything and start over.
Darn. There goes the savings the owner anticipated from doing it himself.
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John Siegenthaler, P.E. john@hydronicpros.com John Siegenthaler, P.E., is principal of Appropriate Designs, a consulting engineering firm in Holland Patent, N.Y., and author of the text “Modern Hydronic Heating.” Visit www.hydronicpros.com for information on new software for hydronic system design and documentation. John is also the contributing editor to PM's monthly "The Glitch & The Fix" column, which offers hydronic troubleshooting solutions in conjuction with the magazine's twice-monthly Radiant & Hydronics eNews newsletter. You can reach John by e-mail at john@hydronicpros.com.
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By: Carl Longenecker
Posted: August 25, 2007 12:44 AM
By: Chuck Crandell
Posted: October 15, 2009 1:23 PM
I will comment on belittling all DIY systems installers – my perception from the article. I have seen some DIY system(s) that far exceeds any system a “plumber turned hydronic professional specialist” would ever install. Or for that matter systems from a hydronic pro.
I personally observed the broken commandment; do not install the expansion tank on the outlet of a pump situation. I nearly passed out. Four hydronic heating specialist (plumbers turned heating pro) had not noted the screw up. (But they charged hamsensly for the service calls.) The install went down hill from there, including no means within the system to assure that return water was at a non condensing temp – to avoid condensing in an the non condensing boiler.
I personally feel that there are far more screw ups from “plumbers turned heating pro” installs than from mess ups from DIY – a shot from the hip perception.
Chuck Crandell